Hair Falling Out, Hearts Breaking & Faking It for Survival: Why Women Endure Broken Marriages Over Divorce

“Staying for the kids” is one of the most common explanations for staying in a broken marriage but the real reasons are messier: fear of losing health insurance, financial dependence, nervous system burnout, and the deep shame of letting the outside world see what’s actually happening behind closed doors. This Dear Divorce Diary podcast episode gets into all of it, with real stories from women who have lived it.

Quick Summary

Women who are staying in a broken marriage are doing so because leaving feels physically, financially, and emotionally impossible. There are real barriers that prevent women from leaving, and often create a nervous system freeze long before any decision gets made. When the body is already depleted, the idea of planning and executing a divorce strategy can feel completely out of reach. This podcast episode shares three real women’s stories of why they stayed, how they eventually left, and what they wish they’d had sooner.

Table of Contents

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5 Key Takeaways

  1. Most women stay out of survival, not love. Fear of losing health insurance, financial dependence, and nervous system burnout are real reasons women endure broken marriages. The “staying for the kids” story is almost always more complicated than that.
  2. Adrenal collapse and hormonal depletion make leaving feel impossible. When you are in a collapsed state (losing hair, unable to get out of bed, not keeping food down), your body doesn’t have the capacity to plan a divorce strategy. You’re running on empty.
  3. Shame keeps women silent and stuck in survival mode. Protecting appearances, covering for a spouse, and being seen as the problem are all reasons women stay frozen. The fear of divorce isn’t just practical, it’s social and it runs deep.
  4. Some exits have to be strategic, not spontaneous. Military culture, financial abuse, and volatile dynamics mean that leaving at the wrong moment can have serious downstream consequences. Being strategic about when and how you leave is one of the wisest things you can do.
  5. Self-abandonment has a turning point. Some women hit rock bottom and others simply have nothing left to lose, and that’s when the cost of staying finally outweighs the fear of leaving. That’s when reclaiming agency becomes possible.

Highlights

  • 00:00 Divorce Amid Health Challenges
  • 03:09 “Post-Divorce Self-Discovery Journey”
  • 09:20 Military Wife: Career Challenges
  • 10:20 “Determined Independence and Parenthood”
  • 14:55 Self-Reflection and Honesty Journey
  • 16:56 “Supportive Friends During Military Move”
  • 21:48 Holistic Approach to Wellness Transformation
  • 25:33 “Law of Attraction in Gaming”
  • 26:57 Embracing Big Feelings for Growth
  • 30:53 “Clinginess in Homeopathy Remedies”

Full Transcript

Dawn Wiggins [00:00:00]:

People think that I stayed for the kids. I didn’t. It was really complicated. I didn’t leave sooner because I was scared of losing the health insurance. I stayed because I was on anxiety meds and needed. Needed the weekly therapy. I was terrified that if I left, I’d unravel. You are going to love this episode.

Dawn Wiggins [00:00:23]:

Just some of the highlights are when producer Joy tells us about how she couldn’t get out of bed for days at a time and was losing her hair just post separation. Coach Tiffany tells us a story of what happens in the airplane hangar when military men come back from deployment and the wives in the back of the room that have the folders in their hand. We talk about if we were doing it all over again, the homeopathic remedies we would choose. And at the very end, we have a listener shout out you don’t want to miss. It loves. It is week two of our new Dear Divorce Diary reboot Fun story. Last week, when we recorded our first episode with this new format, it was Mercury Retrograde. And we.

Dawn Wiggins [00:01:03]:

We had so many tech issues, which I’m sure you could hear. And it’s just really interesting as we rolled in this morning and we plugged in the same tech through the same process, everything worked beautifully. And I was like, ladies, have you ever had such an obvious Mercury retrograde experience in your life? I don’t know. Super interesting, right? Mercury Retrograde actually affects technology. That’s the thing. It’s like, double check your text message, don’t press send on the email unless you’re super sure it’s the time when, oh, did the Coldplay thing happen during Mercury Retrograde? It’s like a tech. Right, like that. Like that is a Mercury retrograde experience.

Dawn Wiggins [00:01:39]:

All right. So welcome, producer Joy. Welcome, coach Tiffany.

Coach Tiffini [00:01:44]:

Good morning.

Producer Joy [00:01:46]:

Good morning.

Dawn Wiggins [00:01:48]:

We are really. Yes. We are really enjoying this new format, this new opportunity to be together, the three of us, to be with you differently. And so let’s dig into the real reason most women stay. And it’s this sort of fear around unraveling. Right. The kids piece. Sure.

Dawn Wiggins [00:02:07]:

Like, I think a lot of us have said, we’ve heard so many people say, you know, they stayed for the kids. I know that’s what a lot of what my mom said, but it’s way more complex than that. And I think we have a lot of stories to tell about that.

Producer Joy [00:02:22]:

Okay, get the ball rolling. Okay.

Dawn Wiggins [00:02:25]:

So when I was getting divorced, I had been diagnosed for a couple years with cluster headaches, and. And I for sure was medically dependent on Health insurance. And that was in a day where preexisting conditions were still a really big deal. So literal health insurance was a problem for me and I was often in and out of the hospital. And so it was a really big deal for me to get divorced and not know sort of how. I wasn’t close to my family, wasn’t sure how I was going to like literally actually care for myself a financially but baby physically when I was sick, a lot of times I was up in the night. It was really, really dark time. But I also think I was so disassociated that I was just sort of like, I’ll just figure it out.

Dawn Wiggins [00:03:09]:

But I can also acknowledge that my ex didn’t fight me on a lot of stuff. So had I had to deal with that, had I had to contend with additional conflict, like a high conflict divorce, maybe I wouldn’t have had the bandwidth to do it. I sort of got this big shot of courage around the divorce proceeding and I was like, I’ll just start my own practice and sort of all of this, right? I’ll just move to the beach and buy a convertible and all the things. And I did all of that. And it was sort of actually after that was all executed that I started panicking. It was like I leaped first and looked second and then like literally spent like many, many weeks panicking about what I had done after the fact. So I almost like lived through a reverse of this. But I was for sure already in a very collapsed state when I left.

Dawn Wiggins [00:04:01]:

I think that very often when we think about if I leave, I’ll unravel, it’s more, it’s so much more than financial, it’s so much more than how am I going to manage the kids. I think for most women, we’re already in somewhat of a collapsed adrenal state, a collapsed hormonal state. There are so many women who I know are listening right now that are in artificial perimenopause. Like menopause has come too early because of the adrenal fatigue and the adrenal burnout. Women going through menopause who are getting divorced and it’s like 10x worse because when you don’t have balanced hormonal health, you are, don’t have mental health and, and taking on a trauma of this magnitude is. It’s feels impossible. So it’s really interesting how divorce hits women differently than men because we don’t have the same capacity. Typically this isn’t always the case, Right.

Dawn Wiggins [00:04:57]:

But from a health standpoint, from a hormonal standpoint, from a childcare standpoint, and then very often from a financial standpoint. Right. From a capacity to earn and provide. It’s just really an uphill battle for women.

Coach Tiffini [00:05:10]:

My marriage was very much a marriage of appearances. You know, being to someone in, in the military, being married to him. You know, he had a very successful military career and he was on a lot of deployments and, you know, he was higher ranking. You know, he even got a bronze medal from George Bush personally. You know, there were balls to attend, there were expectations and things that we needed to live by as a couple. And we would actually counsel other military couples about their marriages and the state of their marriages. And I remember looking back at that and thinking, if I leave, I’m going to blow everything up. Literally, I’m going to blow everything up.

Coach Tiffini [00:05:49]:

And all of these people that have looked to us as an example and looked at us as everything. The only person that really knew what was going on, you know, were my mom and my best friend at the time. And that was it. I didn’t tell anybody about what I was dealing with. So there was almost this thing of being seen as a fraud. Like, if I walk out right now, people, you know, what’s everybody going to think about me? Number two, how is it going to affect his career? Right. I remember if no one has ever had an experience in the military, when the guys come back from deployments, it’s this great big celebration and they call you into an airplane hangar and you watch the plane land and they file in and it’s this big processional thing and it’s very impactful. Like it’s freaking amazing to watch and experience that.

Coach Tiffini [00:06:27]:

But there were always these wives in the back of the room holding folders and. And everyone knew what it was. They were the wives waiting to serve their husbands when they got off the plane with divorce papers. Right?

Dawn Wiggins [00:06:36]:

No shit.

Coach Tiffini [00:06:37]:

Yeah, so that was a fucking thing, right? I became one of those wives. Yeah, I didn’t serve him there, but I left during a deployment, which was a terrible thing because when the guys are downrange and the wives leave, they’re put on suicide watch. They cannot have their weapons, they cannot report to the active field. So they’re basically sitting there until they get cleared, you know, psychiatrically, that they’re safe enough to go back into battle. So I knew by me leaving especially during a time of deployment that that was going to be a huge thing. But I didn’t feel like I had any other choice.

Dawn Wiggins [00:07:14]:

That’s that self abandonment piece, right? It’s like, how long do I self abandon before I decide to face how this is going to feel?

Coach Tiffini [00:07:22]:

Yeah.

Producer Joy [00:07:23]:

Yeah. How this is.

Coach Tiffini [00:07:24]:

And I didn’t leave, you know, because of the kids. I left for her. Right. Because at that point, and I feel like other women can agree, I felt so depleted as a mom. I had no energy left to mom. I couldn’t even be present for my daughter. Like, everything in my mind was just spiraling and I was trying to put the pieces together. But for me, I had to be very strategic about when I left because I did not want to cause him his career.

Coach Tiffini [00:07:49]:

I didn’t want to cost him those big things because I still cared enough to know that I needed to make an exit, but it had to be at the right time.

Dawn Wiggins [00:07:58]:

I’m watching this with a dear friend of mine right now who’s trying to figure out who’s trying to be very strategic in her exit, right?

Coach Tiffini [00:08:03]:

Because.

Dawn Wiggins [00:08:04]:

And I think so often it has to do with finances or abuse, you know, that if you’re not strategic about it, what’s it gonna unleash inside of him? Whether it’s to do with abuse or financial abuse or substance abuse or. Right. Like, if I’m not strategic enough, what is going to be the downstream consequence? And when you don’t have all of your own money, right. When you don’t have your own financial resource, I think it really shifts something in your mind about confidence or capacity to leave feeling like you don’t have control or a way to provide for yourself. It’s really. It causes a freeze, right? It’s really paralyzing. Paralyzing.

Coach Tiffini [00:08:48]:

I had this conversation with my mom just two weeks ago when I was there, and she said, tiffany, I remember you calling me and saying, I have to do something and I have to have a plan because I can’t come back there, meaning there to where I was from, because if I do, I will never get out. And she’s like, I remember those words. And I thought, my God. And my mom was terrified for me, you know, because instead of choosing to go back with family, I chose to move, like, even further away.

Dawn Wiggins [00:09:15]:

That’s how you ended up in Myrtle, because you knew you couldn’t go back and you knew you couldn’t stay where you were.

Coach Tiffini [00:09:19]:

Right?

Producer Joy [00:09:20]:

Yeah.

Coach Tiffini [00:09:20]:

And so there was this period, and when I tell you guys that I hadn’t worked in my marriage, but maybe the first three months, because most military wives don’t work, especially when the kids are younger, you know, because especially in time of active deployment, again, I’m talking almost 20 years ago. Military, not present day. I don’t know what it’s like now for these wives, but I know back then when we were in a very active wartime, the wives didn’t work because everything catered around the deployments and the guys were gone so much that the last thing you wanted to do was ruin the time at home. Went working or whatever. So I remember when I moved there, I had an associate’s degree, but I didn’t. I hadn’t worked in four years. I had no clue what I was doing. And so when I ended up moving to Myrtle, the pieces fell into place as far as me getting a place to stay.

Coach Tiffini [00:10:08]:

But I had no job. I had nothing. I left my marriage with a car, $6,000, and a dining room table.

Dawn Wiggins [00:10:17]:

How’d you put the dining room table in the car?

Coach Tiffini [00:10:20]:

I rented a U Haul. I did run a U Haul, and I had some other stuff, right? And I did get a little bit of a storage unit, but I didn’t have a lot of stuff. I rented a furnished place down there. And I just remember just this feeling of being terrified of not being able to provide for my daughter. And I didn’t want to fall back on my parents because I knew if I went back to where parents were, there was a part of me that was just going to kind of not give up, but just find excuses to not be the best mom that I possibly could because I had all these other people who would step up and help me raise her. And that’s just not the mindset I was in. And. And plus, I was stubborn as hell.

Coach Tiffini [00:10:55]:

Like, let’s be honest. I mean, I’m still stubborn as hell in a lot of ways, right?

Producer Joy [00:10:58]:

And I just wanted to prove that.

Coach Tiffini [00:11:00]:

I could fucking do it. Like, that’s what I wanted to show everybody, right?

Producer Joy [00:11:04]:

First of all, that gave me goosebumps. Tiffany, I love that you were brave. That’s so brave enough for you to do and take your daughter and kind of step into. This isn’t how. This is what I want an example of marriage to be for my daughter. So that’s super empowering. My experience was so debilitating because I had three. Three and under.

Producer Joy [00:11:26]:

Excuse me, I had three, seven, and the twins were five when he. I kicked him out, right? So, like I say, he leaves, but I actually kicked him out. It was. But I. I didn’t get out of bed for days because I didn’t know what to do. And how do you go from. And that shame that you feel right Like, I protected him. I knew.

Producer Joy [00:11:50]:

I knew the marriage that we had, but, like, nobody. Maybe my best friend at the time, but I never verbalized it. I never talked about it, because he was the good guy. He was the Captain America. There was like. So there’s. Obviously. It’s me.

Producer Joy [00:12:06]:

Obviously, I’m the problem. Like, there was so much shame in my marriage falling apart. And my. How do I. How do I explain this to my girls when he’s always the fun dad and he comes home and he plays with them and he’s, you know, like, women would. Gosh, he’s such a good dad and da, da, da, da. Because he doesn’t babysit your kids. And like.

Producer Joy [00:12:27]:

But in reality, like, I knew, but I didn’t know. Like, my body completely shut down. I lost, like, 40 pounds in a month and a half. I lost half my hair. Like, metabolically adrenal. Like, I had collapsed. Shutdown.

Dawn Wiggins [00:12:42]:

Collapsed. Yeah.

Coach Tiffini [00:12:42]:

The divorce diet is real, ladies.

Producer Joy [00:12:44]:

It is real, right? Because, like, throw up anything you eat. Like, your. Your body cannot handle it. It’s so overloaded with all of the. All of the. But I think what I. What I personally struggled with was rectifying the man that I knew he really was versus the man he was acting. And so it was so hard for me to.

Producer Joy [00:13:09]:

Because parts. Now I understand it’s parts.

Dawn Wiggins [00:13:11]:

Right.

Producer Joy [00:13:11]:

Parts work. Right. But then this is all before all my hard work and the education that I have and knowing my body enough. Right. But as the woman who just. Who is in fight or flight, it was completely polarized. Like, it is incredibly difficult to see through the fog. Yeah, it’s.

Producer Joy [00:13:37]:

It’s impossible. Like, you just don’t see it. You don’t see how the way. Right. To put one foot in front of the other to rebuild. You know, like, it’s just. And then you grieve the life that you didn’t. You never expect.

Producer Joy [00:13:52]:

Like, you didn’t really have. But everybody.

Dawn Wiggins [00:13:55]:

You had the fantasy, right?

Producer Joy [00:13:58]:

Yeah.

Coach Tiffini [00:13:58]:

Yes.

Producer Joy [00:13:58]:

So I remember.

Dawn Wiggins [00:14:00]:

I remember sitting on my bedroom floor on the phone with you, Joy, for hours, one day. And we were talking about attachment styles, emdr, but, like, boundaries. Right? I kept saying. I kept saying, okay, I’m willing to believe in him with you, but he’s going to move at the pace of boundaries. You have to be willing to let go in order to move forward.

Producer Joy [00:14:25]:

Yeah, but it was. I had to do that for me, right? Like, I had to know I was worthy of the boundaries and I was worthy of. And do the hard work of, like, okay, if I Say this thing out loud like it’s gotta be rock solid. I can’t, I can’t be the person who. Yes, you can come over and visit the girls. Because my girls were young at the time, so he would come to our home and I would leave because that, that disruption in their schedule. Right, right. So that worked out for us.

Producer Joy [00:14:55]:

But so I had to be the one that was just like, okay, we’re gonna, we’re gonna maintain a visitation schedule and, and, and be able to maintain myself and work on myself and dig deep into how did I get here and how did, how did this happen? How am I being so transparent to all these people that I’ve been transparent with for a decade? Actually, no, yeah, right, right. But they were like, weren’t actually. And so it’s a lot of like big conversations with friends of like. No, this is actually how it was. I just protected him or protected us.

Dawn Wiggins [00:15:33]:

Or protected my children or so much.

Producer Joy [00:15:35]:

You know, like it was. It’s having those conversations of not. No, I mean it’s, it’s true. He loved my children and he was a good dad, but he wasn’t a good father. You know, I mean like all these things that kind of the parts. Explaining the parts and understanding the parts myself and the parts within myself and, and working through all of that.

Dawn Wiggins [00:16:01]:

I think it’s really interesting to consider how much self abandonment around the way we protect. Protect how it looks. Right. Ourselves and the marriage. Yeah. I think it’s so interesting. And them so much cover up.

Producer Joy [00:16:14]:

Right.

Coach Tiffini [00:16:14]:

I protected him for a long time and I still feel like I do. Even though it’s, you know, X amount of years later, like I still, I would have rather taken the fall in all of this than him lose his career. And that’s what I was willing to do. I was willing to sacrifice a reputation, sacrifice anything to make sure that when I walked away it wasn’t going to affect him adversely for everything that he had worked so hard for.

Producer Joy [00:16:46]:

That’s crazy. I mean, Tiffany, that’s a layer that it’s gotta be. Unless you’re military, we can’t really.

Coach Tiffini [00:16:54]:

Oh, absolutely. Right, yeah.

Producer Joy [00:16:56]:

Yeah.

Coach Tiffini [00:16:56]:

And I mean, you know, when you leave and I. Again, I don’t. I’m not speaking to today’s military community, but back then when you left, I knew what leaving meant. And it meant that all of my friends were not going to support me or help me move. You know, I had one friend and shout out to her, you know who you are? You are my Irish. She carted her three Children in a U haul with me and my child and helped me move. Didn’t care about appearances, didn’t care how it looked. Her and her husband were very supportive of me through this journey, and they’re still friends today of me.

Coach Tiffini [00:17:29]:

But I lost everything. You know, I. I lost everything. And it took me a really long time to rebuild. And it was. I don’t know. It was. It was a crazy experience.

Dawn Wiggins [00:17:43]:

I sort of love that about the experience, though. Like, because I think I am typically such a control freak, I would cling to things that were not good for me until I. There was no choice. I had no choice. Like, losing everything was sort of the reason I could start over, like, Phoenix style. Right. It’s like, until it was all stripped, I was still gonna cling to something to avoid facing myself. Does that make sense? Like, it was, like, in the losing of everything, I could then really look at who I was, how I’d been living, what I needed.

Dawn Wiggins [00:18:22]:

What? Right. A rebuild. Like a total remodel. And I just often look back and think, like, dang, I am so stubborn. That’s what it took. Right. But I think that most people experience that. That it really takes being sort of out of options before we’re really willing to look.

Producer Joy [00:18:43]:

Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s, like, rock bottom, like, stripped away all of the comforts, all of the illusions. Right, Right. And so I do think that there is a power to being maybe not necessarily at your lowest, but at your barest, at your rawest, is a good.

Coach Tiffini [00:19:10]:

And at your worst, Honestly, like, that’s how I felt. You know? And I have so many clients that struggle with the things that they did in their marriage or post marriage that they feel guilty about.

Producer Joy [00:19:23]:

Yeah.

Dawn Wiggins [00:19:23]:

Oh, yeah.

Coach Tiffini [00:19:24]:

That they acted in their marriage. Right.

Dawn Wiggins [00:19:26]:

100.

Coach Tiffini [00:19:26]:

Now it’s like they’re with other partners, and they’re like, I don’t even recognize that person. And I’m like, isn’t it interesting how people that we have trauma, bonds to, or when our attachment style is not secure and we’re reaching for people for different reasons, how out of character we can act in our marriage, Whether it’s infidelity, physical violence, emotional abuse. Like, we can become nasty too.

Dawn Wiggins [00:19:48]:

100.

Coach Tiffini [00:19:49]:

And then when we get out of that, we’re like, is that me?

Producer Joy [00:19:52]:

Right.

Coach Tiffini [00:19:53]:

I don’t feel like that kind of partner inside. I feel like I’m a loving, loyal person.

Dawn Wiggins [00:19:59]:

More than one thing can be true.

Coach Tiffini [00:20:01]:

Yes.

Dawn Wiggins [00:20:01]:

Yeah.

Coach Tiffini [00:20:02]:

But I also want to kick somebody’s ass. Like, I don’t know. Yes.

Producer Joy [00:20:05]:

You know, What?

Coach Tiffini [00:20:05]:

I mean, yes, yes. Like, that level of.

Dawn Wiggins [00:20:08]:

Oh, my goodness. Have you ever listened to Carrie Underwood albums? Like, there is a whole lot of feisty girl stuff going on.

Producer Joy [00:20:14]:

Yeah, right? Like, yeah, yeah.

Dawn Wiggins [00:20:17]:

Can we talk for a moment about women who are going through all of this that we’re describing? Right? Like, if I left. If I leave, I’d unravel, right? Can we just talk about how most women out there are doing that without homeopathy and marvel at how. How that can be possible? I mean, we did it without homeopathy, but if you could go back and do it again and make one change.

Coach Tiffini [00:20:44]:

It would have been. One change would definitely be the homeopathy. The other change would. I would have got my ass in therapy much sooner. Yeah. I would have done the emdr, the ifs, parts work, the somatics, like, all of that. But homeopathy. And look, I’m somebody that was on antidepressants for over a decade.

Coach Tiffini [00:21:00]:

Same, you know, they were my best friend. And the results that I have gotten homeopathically, you can’t compare. I’m just stepping into myself. Not that I’m being altered by something else, if that makes sense.

Dawn Wiggins [00:21:17]:

That’s it. It’s. It’s. That’s what homeopathy does, right? It strips away all things that are not you, you know, and it leaves, like, the purest vessel, you know? But when you think about that collapsed state, for instance, Joy, right, when you were in bed for days and your hair was falling out and you were losing all this weight, right? Like, homeopathy has an immediate answer to all of that. So you have capacity, you know, and it’s not an overnight thing. And it doesn’t mean that it’s like a light switch. And it’s just easy. Homeopathy isn’t, quote, unquote easy, but it’s comprehensive and faster.

Dawn Wiggins [00:21:48]:

And it does things that therapy can never do. And it’s just so interesting to consider. And that doesn’t mean, right, I’m burning down all other modalities because we combine IFS and emdr, right? And remineralization and proper nutrition and all of that, you know? But it’s just so interesting. If there’s one thing, right, I could tell women about this collapsed state that I think most people are in when they’re trying to make the decision to leave or get their strategy together, right, is like, you cannot ignore your body because it’s the vessel that you’re asking to execute on this strategy, and it’s so depleted, and it doesn’t have to be, I think, is is the theme, right? It doesn’t have to be this hard. We’ve gotten so used to it being this hard, and it doesn’t have to be. Which is why I love how we approach it, because we do it so differently than sort of any other program I know of.

Coach Tiffini [00:22:46]:

Well, even the IFS work that I do with people like, that is my obsession. I’m on fire about ifs because every single person is different in their work. Every single session that I have with an individual person is different in their work. And for me, the IFS work tells the story of why.

Dawn Wiggins [00:23:07]:

Yes.

Coach Tiffini [00:23:07]:

I feel like so many women are staying on this stagnant place in their divorce journey where they don’t understand the cycles, and so they’re frozen and afraid to move forward because they’re afraid of.

Dawn Wiggins [00:23:16]:

Making a mistake, making mistake.

Coach Tiffini [00:23:18]:

They can’t trust their intuition. They can’t trust themselves, and they can. They can’t. So through the IFS work, it’s explaining, this is why. This is the answer. It’s like a roadmap for all of your shit. And it’s going to tell you how to trust yourself. It’s going to trust you, how to get to the.

Coach Tiffini [00:23:33]:

Or teach you how to get to the places that you want to be. Like, all of that I love.

Producer Joy [00:23:39]:

I love the IFS piece that. Because all that. But for me, it’s like, ifs was able to give myself grace. Like, it’s a part of me and, like, step into the truth of I am. I am a gracious, loving, loyal, kind person. But I’m also this person too. And I. This person needs to be seen and be held as much as this person does.

Dawn Wiggins [00:24:05]:

More. More. Right?

Coach Tiffini [00:24:06]:

We.

Producer Joy [00:24:07]:

Right. Like, y. Yeah. It’s okay for me to be. To have. To have needs. It’s okay for me need to be seen as well. Right.

Producer Joy [00:24:17]:

That doesn’t make me selfish. I liked. I like the IFS sphere. Right? Like, it’s all of it. It’s not just this. The broken pieces of you. You get to hold all of it.

Coach Tiffini [00:24:29]:

And I. I love that joy because I feel like, as women specifically, we are taught to push away all of the negative things that don’t fit in our family standards, our soc. So IFS is a way to repair all of that and to look at all of those parts of ourselves that want to make us cringe and push away and say, no, like, I need to love that part of myself because she’s just as important as the normal way.

Dawn Wiggins [00:24:52]:

That’s like the answer. That’s the answer, right, is. Is learning to love and accept and hold Grace for. So this weekend we were playing Mario Party Jamboree, and I’m such a law of attraction junkie. It’s next level. And so I have to know what.

Coach Tiffini [00:25:09]:

Character you were real quick. What’s your call?

Dawn Wiggins [00:25:14]:

Peach.

Coach Tiffini [00:25:15]:

Okay. I’m Yoshi. Joy. Do you play?

Dawn Wiggins [00:25:17]:

Grace loves Yoshi.

Producer Joy [00:25:18]:

  1. I like it. I like the. It’s like the. The crystal peach.

Dawn Wiggins [00:25:23]:

She’s rose gold or something.

Producer Joy [00:25:25]:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rose gold Peach.

Dawn Wiggins [00:25:27]:

I love her too. I can. I can be known to, like, win a game because A, I’m super competitive, but B, I.

Coach Tiffini [00:25:33]:

Right.

Dawn Wiggins [00:25:33]:

I use the law of attraction to approach everything. Right? And so we played in the morning and I was like, in a super good mood, and so it’s easy to win then. And then we played in the evening, and I was not in a good mood. My, how things can fall apart so quickly. So last night we’re playing and I start off and I’m like fourth, right? Like, I’m. I’m coming from the back and I’m having all these feelings. And normally I’ll rely on high vibe strategies to like, affect how my dice roll or. Or like how I make my decisions or whatever.

Dawn Wiggins [00:26:05]:

Right? Like, it’s. It’s. It’s bananas how much I use law of attraction just to play fricking jamboree. Okay. But long story longer, I was doing parts work internally while we were playing last night because I was having such intense internally emotions, and I was really trying to filter it for my family’s sake as much as possible, and I pivoted. Like, I’m. I worked on something last night that I think has been like decades coming loves. But I was like, okay, I’m having really big feelings, and I am going to approach these the way I approached cluster headaches.

Dawn Wiggins [00:26:39]:

Like, everything is working out for me. These really big feelings are for me. They’re not against me. The fact that I’m having really big feelings does not mean that I have to lose this game. I can use these really big feelings to my advantage to win this game. And so then I. Would you, like, punch in the air to get your dice block or whatever you’re rolling. I don’t.

Dawn Wiggins [00:26:57]:

Yeah, whatever, right? And so I’m like, okay, I’m gonna use these really big feelings and this is all inside, and I’m gonna have the perfect role. And then I would go and then whatever. And wouldn’t you know it, like, I freaking came from behind and at some point had like seven stars. And so the point of that story is we are so afraid of being judged or feeling our own feelings or that, right? Like, we resist, we avoid, we bypass. And it’s like, yes, if we could, like, in that moment, for me to understand that I could use all of those feelings for good, all those painful feelings could benefit me. It just created a deeper level of self acceptance and a lack of resistance inside of my own body, right? Like, oh, I’m feeling some big feelings right now. Cool. Instead of gross, right? It’s like, that’s peace.

Dawn Wiggins [00:27:52]:

To be able to feel it all, hold it all, accept it all, and trust that it can. Like, life is still going to be even more amazing and that all the tools are just waiting around the corner for us. And man, just let it in, you know?

Producer Joy [00:28:07]:

Yeah, for sure. Donna, you were just talking about homeopathy and what a game changer it is for women in this. In this particular season. We did it the heart, all three of us did it the hard way without homeopathy, right? Like, we. We did the grind.

Dawn Wiggins [00:28:24]:

But, like, zero stars do not recommend.

Producer Joy [00:28:26]:

No, not at all. If you. If you could say to the woman who is in this fight or fight, freezing in her bed, like, what would be a recommendation? You would have to even just start homeopathy. Like, where do you even start to.

Dawn Wiggins [00:28:44]:

This woman, Obviously, like, having your case taken is where you get the most profound transformation. But I am a big fan of people, like, trying, right? Like, all of this is out there for you. Like, don’t let gatekeepers tell you you can’t, you know, use the things. I think there are two remedies that come to mind for this particular moment in time. Maybe three. I think one is Califos. It’s a nerve remedy it. And it comes in a cell salt, too.

Dawn Wiggins [00:29:10]:

You’ve heard me talk about cell salts, and I’m a big fan of bioplasma. Like 12 in one cell salts, I think, is a really important thing of life because you’re demineralized. You’re burnt out, right? So acelosol is a really basic 12. One Bioplasma Highlands. Great. You can find it on Amazon. I’m happy to send anybody these links or stick them in the show notes. I think Califos in a 30C is a really great one for just tired and wired.

Dawn Wiggins [00:29:36]:

And then I think sepia. 30C or 200C is fantastic. That’s for the woman who is so burnt out of giving, she just wants to crawl in a hole and and be in a hole. Right. She is angry, she is agitated, she is overstimulated, and she just wants to hide so very badly. And that’s sepia. And I know sepia has been a game changer for all three of us, for sure.

Producer Joy [00:30:01]:

Absolutely.

Dawn Wiggins [00:30:02]:

It’s coach Tiffany’s favorite. It’s my opinion, like, not necessarily the one.

Coach Tiffini [00:30:08]:

Sepia is a game changer.

Dawn Wiggins [00:30:10]:

I don’t want to rage, but it’s your favorite one. Yeah, it is.

Producer Joy [00:30:13]:

Yeah. I love fun fact. I love it for my hormonal teenager because it’s easier for me to. All right, this is, you know, like, for me to internalize. Like, it’s not her. It’s hormonal, overstimulated, she’s over whatever. Like, take a dose, and we’ll reconvene in a few minutes.

Dawn Wiggins [00:30:31]:

Yeah, that’s awesome. Yeah, that’s. The other one I would recommend is Pulsatilla. Right. So there’s. So I think there’s two sides of this coin. There’s the woman who’s so shut down and withdrawn and just wants to hide from the world, but then there’s the woman who’s got a history of abandonment. And the way that that gets manifested is around dependency and weepiness and a fear of leaving.

Dawn Wiggins [00:30:51]:

And I hate the word clingy.

Producer Joy [00:30:53]:

Right.

Dawn Wiggins [00:30:53]:

But clingy, right. Like, so for the woman who’s having that experience, like, she can’t leave because she can’t fathom how she’s going to do it alone, and she feels panicky about separation at all. Right. That’s pulsatilla. So it just sort of depends on how you’re experiencing it. You know, pulsate. Both Pulsatilla and CPR are hormonal remedies, but they just have different mental pictures. And, you know, if you’ve tried homeopathy and it didn’t work for you, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

Dawn Wiggins [00:31:15]:

It means it wasn’t the right pro remedy for you. Right. And so it’s because it has to be at least similar to what your mental, emotional, and physical state are. It has to resonate in those all three spheres to some extent.

Coach Tiffini [00:31:29]:

Yeah.

Producer Joy [00:31:29]:

Yeah. Excellent.

Dawn Wiggins [00:31:32]:

Our listener shout out today is Kelly with the unicorn emoji. Kelly, I have no doubt you are a unicorn. Thank you so much for being here, because without you, there is no us. So shoot me a DM on Wiggins on Instagram. Kelly and I want to know so badly where you are in your journey, how we can support you better. And personally thank you for being a premium subscriber. So much love. Peace.

About Dawn Wiggins

Divorce Recovery Coach • Holistic Healer • Founder of Cocoon

Dawn Wiggins is a licensed marriage and family therapist who combines science and holistic healing to help women recover from divorce. Through EMDR, homeopathy, and compassionate guidance, she helps clients process pain and rediscover confidence. Dawn created Cocoon, a supportive divorce recovery community for healing and growth after divorce—because you don’t just deserve to heal, you deserve to thrive.

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